Kiko slomio i gazio križ!

Onda kad je Kiko slomio i gazio križ!

Prikazujemo video kateheze iz eremitskog samostana Krista Kralja (eremiti manje braće od Marije, u gradu Goias u Brazilu) kako bi objasnili hereze Neokatekumenskog puta.

Na poseban način u 36 minuti, fra Carmelo ističe jedan događaj jako ozbiljan i značajan u kojem opsjednuti Kiko Arguello, proglasivši se „nadahnutim“, lomi i gazi križ.

-Jedanput mi je pričao jedan moj prijatelj, koji je bio katehista u tom pokretu. Kiko Arguello je u Porto San Maurizio, u mjestu za njihove susrete, dok je bio na pozornici, propovijedao i govorio da je nadahnut. Govorio je narodu koji se okupio i koji je želio čuti taj nadahnuti govor i osjetiti tog duha, za kojeg ja držim da je duh zla i duh laži, a koji raspoznajete iz onoga što govori i kako djeluje. I što čini taj nadahnuti, uzima križ i lomi ga, baca križ pod noge i gazi ga. I objašnjava taj svoj čin, kaže da je u tom trenutku bio jako nadahnut. Ja kažem ma kako, lomi križ i gazi ga? Pročitao sam puno svetačkih životopisa, i čitam, ali nikad nisam pročitao da bi jedan svetac učinio takav jedan čin. Smatram da je takav čin smatran dobrim i nadahnutim sveci bi ga učinili već prije Kika, ali to je čin koji se ne smije činiti. Dakle, kako objasniti Kikovu nadahnutost, nemam razloga smatrati i vjerovati da je on nadahnut Božjim duhom, nema razloga, jer zašto bi Krist nadahnuo osobu da lomi i gazi križ? Nema objašnjenja za to osim da mu je pristupio zloduh (demon), samo to može biti objašnjenje. Da nadahnuta osoba čini jedan takav čin je apsurd.

Poveznica

Kad “Put” preuzme kontrolu nad biskupijom

 

Paralelna hijerarhija koja upravlja Nadbiskupijom na Guamu.

 

Tvrde da nadbiskup Apuron ne kontrolira situaciju. Sve odluke za Nadbiskupiju, uključujući i one koje se odnose na izbor ređenika, donosi Giuseppe Gennarini, glavni “odgovorni” za Neokatekeumenski put u Sjedinjenim Američkim Državama. Gennarini je neposredno nadređen ocu Piusu Sammutu O.C.D., a otac Pius je neposredno nadređen Nadbiskupu. Gennarinijev izravni nadređeni je Kiko. To je hijerarhija koja kontrolira našu Crkvu na Guamu!

Obojica svećenika, o. Paul i msgr. James su otpušteni na temelju Kiko&Gennarinijeve naredbe…

 

URGENT!! “YOU DISGUST THE CHURCH!”

Meet the real bishop and pope
Received this from “Glad to be Back in Holy Mother Church”. It verifies many things already mentioned on this blog.
  • Archbishop Apuron is not in control.
  • All decisions are made for this archdiocese, including who becomes a priest at RMS, by Giuseppe Gennarini, the lead “responsible” for the NCW in the United States. Gennarini is Fr. Pius’ immediate superior, and Fr. Pius is the Archbishop’s immediate superior. Gennarini’s immediate superior is Kiko. This is the hierarchy controlling our church on Guam!
  • Both Fr. Paul and Msgr. James were fired at Kiko & Gennarini’s order.
  • Fr. Wadeson DID NOT “leave the country”. At the time I thought this was an extremely odd thing to say. It was as if he was trying to throw us off as to his whereabouts. Some knew he remained in hiding at the seminary. In fact, according to this account, HE WAS.
  • If this turns out to be true then Fr. Pablo Rodriguez, the rector of RMS, and Archbishop Apuron LIED.
Also, NOTE TO SNAP: Look for Wadeson in New Jersey at 3 Howard Place, Englewood, NJ 07631
Thank you “Glad to be Back” for your excellent work. Read on….TO THE END!

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Who is Using the Archbishop?
Tony thinks he is being very slick, but I have figured it all out, and here is the story of how Tony gets used…and why Monsignor James was fired.
2012 – Nuncio Balvo orders audit of Guam Church because of mismanagement by Apuron.
2013 – Audit nears completion. Archbishop is told by an unknown powerful person to get rid of Benavente, so Apuron asks Deloitte for letter re the Catholic Cemeteries. (Boy would the world like to see the letter on all the parishes, schools, Chancery, etc.)
1/8/14 – Deloitte sends letter with five issues of concern. Apparently Apuron forgets what he is supposed to do for quite some time. Label this a brain fart. Two issues already resolved by the time letter was prepared, and two more resolved later with docs sent to Deacon Kim, Finance Officer. Now it gets interesting so pay attention.
Not enough to hang Benavente on, just usual audit stuff that all companies have. Deloitte happy with Cemetery progress…good job James and staff!
6/26/14 – Apuron acknowledges the good work done and then reminds the Monsignor to have the 6/30/14 financials ready for Deloitte by 8/15/14. All quiet on the Western Front, until late July.
Pay attention…
Some unknown person comes to Guam and is really pissed off that Benavente is still around. How is NCW going to take the Crown Jewel with him there? Fire him is the order given, who cares if the evidence doesn’t support it…just do it.
July 25 – the Feast of St James – Monsignor James called to Apuron’s office and is read the Deloitte letter, and told he is being relieved. (Great timing, BTW, Apuron)
James asks for copy of letter and the JCD David Quitugua refuses the order Apuron gives him. So apparently, the OCD Apuron forget the details of the plan The Mysterious One had given him, so the JCD David Quitugua saves the day.
James asks for time to clear his name.
Much to David’s surprise, Apuron agrees to give him the weekend, but come back on Monday for your execution please.
James leaves Apuron’s office and the two puppets call The Mysterious One, and David immediately squeals that Tony did not follow the plan to fire James on the spot, but gave him time to clear his name.
All hell breaks loose on the phone…YOU DID WHAT?!?! Tony, how could you screw this up? I had given you a perfect plan, The Mysterious One says. Well, whatever, you must move forward to relieve him immediately.
The Mysterious One can no longer trust Tony so he instructs the tall one, David, to get the papers ready, and deliver them to James.
David protests: its already late, after 4PM and I want to go rest from this trying day. Okay, the mysterious one says, but do it the first thing tomorrow morning!!! And send that asshole Adrian, I know he’ll like this job, even if it is on a Saturday.
7/26/14 – David and Adrian go to the Cathedral and do the dirty deed, and report back to all.
The Mysterious One quotes scripture: “Well done good and faithful servant.”
7/28/14 – The Mysterious One checks to verify that no problems have arisen. Apuron reports that the public is really pissed off, but it’s ok, because they are pissed off at me already. Happy to help you Mysterious One!
All would have probably been kept secret except…
7/30/14 – I happened to be at the airport with my mom for a flight to the States. Storm coming, so United was going to leave for Narita one hour early, at 11AM. Big crowd of seminarians and other Neos hugging, kissing, pay great homage to a man.
Hey, he looks familiar. Its Giuseppe Gennarini. The top guy in charge of the NCW for the Americas.
Now it all makes sense. That’s why Apuron could not wait until the 8/15 deadline. 
But Giuseppe did not come out just for the assassination of Benavente. He comes out every year in July to check on his property in Yona and to see if the boys are ready for ordination. He can’t leave that to Apuron. He nearly screwed up the Benavente firing.
Bumpy flight to Narita, Giuseppe sipping champagne and celebrating the Cathedral takeover in first class.
And guess what else? 
A man dressed in civilian clothing was spotted out of the corner of my eye. Hey that looks like Fr John Wadeson! He’s still here? I thought he already left the country. Oh, I see, they all lied, again. What a surprise!
Post script…this same scenario must have happened last year as well.
Fr Paul, suddenly canned in July, even though Apuron had known about that situation for a long time. Suddenly in July there is an urgent move to sack a good priest who is not in the Way. Anyone else see the connection here?
So, Fr Pius. We know Apuron has not been in control, and now we know who The Mysterious One is who is really in control…Giuseppe from New Jersey. I’m beginning to hate that State.
This is not directed to the honest Neos, but to the cultish kikos.
You disgust the Church!
Note: Some people wanted me to comment on Adrian’s charade yesterday on K57. Most people saw it as a charade, so it hardly deserves comment. The bigger issue is what is revealed here. It deserves an investigation.
If Wadeson was indeed hiding at the seminary, waiting to be rescued by Gennarini, while Archbishop Apuron allowed us all to believe that Wadeson had “left the country” then IT IS NOW TIME FOR ROME TO ACT.
Archbishop Krebs needs to be immediately notified. He is to ask Archbishop Apuron ONE QUESTION:
Where was Wadeson between July 23 when, according to Father Pablo Rodriguez, the rector of RMS, Wadeson was supposed to have “left the country” and July 30 when he was reported to be seen on a flight from Guam with Giuseppe Gennarini. Here is the exact quote from the Pacific Daily News on July 24:

“Wadeson left yesterday morning, said Father Pablo Ponce, rector of the Redemptoris Mater Seminary. where Wadeson had been staying.”

If Archbishop Krebs discovers that Wadeson had in fact NOT left Guam as Father Pablo stated and Archbishop Apuron led us to believe, then Rome must FIRE BOTH and disband the seminary that is looking more and more like a den of iniquity. And get rid of Pius while you’re at it.
For if all this turns out to be true, then this post is most aptly titled.

Nakon Japana neosi ruše još jednu biskupiju na Gaumu

 

 

Request to Archbishop Apuron to publish Archdiocese of Agana financial statement and audit report HERE

A CALL FOR ACTION HERE

 SUNDAY, AUGUST 10, 2014

SIGN THE PETITION

 PETITION OF CONCERN REGARDING THE ACTIONS, WORDS, AND INFLUENCE OF FR. PIUS SAMMUT O.C.D.

THURSDAY, AUGUST 7, 2014

TWINS?

Fr. Pius Sammut, O.C.D.
I was told yesterday that on Tuesday evening, Fr. Pius explained the Fr. Wadeson affair to the Archbishop’s neo-community in the presence of the Archbishop. He was reported to have said that the reason Fr. Wadeson’s past had never been revealed was that because the allegations were false: that there was only one minor involved and not two as reported. And that the reason why it was reported as two is because the minor was a twin.
Up till now, I probably would have laughed the report off as impossible. No one in their right mind could possibly have used that as a reason to have not explained the issue with Fr. Wadeson. However, given what this bunch has been willing to lie about, and demonstrably so, I am willing to believe anything at this point.
However, if you were there, and you are willing to vouch that this story is not true. You are welcome to send me an email with your real name and tell me that it isn’t. I will keep your name private and I will make another post saying that the report was not true. Or you are welcome to do the same here as a comment.
Note: Since the posting of the petition to have Fr. Pius Sammut removed from this Archdiocese by the Carmelite order he still belongs to, there have been several inquiries about who he is. For those of us who know him, we believe he is the major source of division in this diocese and has been so ever since he came here in the mid-90’s. Besides that he is listed in the 2013 Archdiocesan Directory as the Secretary of the Blessed Diego Institute (really?) and along with Ms. Patricia Cottman and Michele Pedroni (who?) as part of the Itinerant Catechist team for Guam. He is also said to be Archbishop Apuron’s personal spiritual advisor (do you see the problem?). He is known to frequently come and go, using Guam as a base. Who pays for his coming and going? We don’t know. Perhaps this will show up in the financial report the Archbishop has promised to publish…years after he was told to by the Vatican.

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 6, 2014

FILL IN THE BLANK

The Archbishop has NOTHING to gain from any of this. He is only a few years a way from retirement. There is absolutely no reason for him to be doing what he’s doing.
We need to look at the only characters who do stand to gain from:
1. discrediting the Archbishop
2. trashing Guam’s most probably episcopal candidates (Gofigan and Benavente).
The Archbishop has been used. It is something I have said from the beginning. Who is using him? Fill in the blank.
1. __________________
2. __________________

ABSOLUTELY WRONG!

Monsignor: Archbishop’s statements on finances ‘absolutely wrong’

http://www.guampdn.com/article/20140806/NEWS01/140806004/Monsignor-Archbishop-s-statements-finances-absolutely-wrong-

Former BBMR Director Rivera to Archbishop: It’s Never Too Late to Say “I’m Sorry”
http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47563:former-bbmr-director-rivera-to-archbishop-its-never-too-late-to-say-qim-sorryq&catid=45:guam-news&Itemid=156

Pope’s delegate replies to Guam parishioners

http://www.guampdn.com/article/20140806/NEWS01/308060007/Pope-s-delegate-replies-Guam-parishioners

Catholics refute archbishop’s claims about church finances

EVEN GOVERNOR CALVO IS WAITING FOR AN ANSWER

Come on, Adrian. Get back to him!
And to think that the Archbishop has no problem doing the neo-eucharists in any old place, but outlaws the Mass at a cemetery chapel.

WANDERING WADESON

Several people have commented that the fiasco over the firing of Msgr. James was either in retaliation for the worldwide embarrassment suffered by Archbishop Apuron over the exposition of Fr. John Wadeson or it was an attempt to distract attention from the Wadeson affair. I’ts really a matter of pick your crisis. Here’s the latest though on the Wadeson affair. He’s going to have a lot of people to sue it seems. (The part about my role is dramatized a bit.)
Wandering Wadeson: A banned priest is exposed
I know it’s been a little quiet here at The Worthy Adversary. I have been pounding away at the manuscript for The Well-Armored Child, and it’s summer, so there’s not a lot of quiet time around the house. But things have not been quiet in the Archdiocese of Hagatna, Guam. And every time I think that things are winding down, something new happens. Here’s the low-down: – See more at:http://theworthyadversary.com/3056-wandering-wadeson#sthash.v7FVtxGi.dpuf

MSGR. JAMES ANSWERS ARCHBISHOP APURON

As we know, Msgr. James was never given a copy of the charges the Archbishop made against him. He read them, the same as us, after the Archbishop released them in a press statement on July 31. Today, on the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima, Msgr. James responds:

BREAKING

Go to https://www.facebook.com/JungleWatch for video posting of today’s press conference. Like the page for updates.

ANOTHER LIE AT ARCHAGANA.ORG

The Archbishop has posted something called “Report from Deloitte and Touche” on its website. The posting gives the average reader the impression that this is an official and final report from D & T. It is not. It was a letter, dated January 8, 2014, advising the Archbishop of discrepancies that needed to be addressed as part of D & T’s review of the Archdiocese’s finances.
As addressed today on the steps of the Cathedral, those discrepancies have already been addressed, with only one to be addressed. In fact, in a letter dated June 26, 2014, only a few weeks ago, Archbishop Apuron, in a letter to Msgr. James, recognized in writing that “corrective action” had already been taken in order to prepare for the June 30, 2013 financial statements, and gave Msgr. James till August 15, 2014 to submit the financial reports for their fiscal year ending June 30, 2014. Msgr. James was fired on July 25.

TIME TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ABOUT GUAM’S CARMELITE’S

The mad kiko-clans are bashing Mother Dawn, Mother Superior of our local Carmelite nuns, as the instigator of the petition against Fr. Pius. What a load of “vomit” (their word). Chuck White originated the idea and I doubt if he has ever met Mother Dawn. How sick, sad, and desperate these maligned and vicious people are becoming now that their neo-kingdom is collapsing around them. It’s “scorched earth” now for them. Take down everybody and anybody.

Their allegations are even more tragic in view of the fact that Mother Dawn and her Carmelite nuns have been suffering for years because of Archbishop Apuron. Here’s why.
The 2 million dollar gift to purchase the Yona property did not fall from heaven. Mother Dawn, because she is devoted to our Catholic Church, spearheaded the effort to find a donor through her order and specifically through her fellow Carmelites in St. Louis, Missouri.
Through the Carmelites in St. Louis, Mother Dawn was able to identify a donor, a private person, who agreed to give the money on two conditions:
  • That the gift be used to purchase a defunct hotel property for the “purpose of a seminary”
  • That the identity of the donor NOT be made known
Archbishop Apuron immediately proceeded to violate both of those conditions:
  • “A seminary” for the Archdiocese of Agana was NOT established.
  • He identified the donor.
Because of this, many believe that the money came from our own Carmelites with two consequences:
  • Mother Dawn and her Carmelites have been labeled as neo-sympathizers and supporters (whether they are or not I don’t know, and they probably – given their vocation – don’t give a hoot either way).
  • Since people believed that the Carmelites had 2 million dollars to give to the Neo’s, they figured that the Carmelites didn’t need any more financial support and they’re ability to take care of themselves, especially since many are aging, has suffered.
Thank you, once again, Archbishop Apuron.
But how evil now that the one person most responsible for facilitating the purchase of the Yona property, even though it was eventually used for something entirely different than what was intended, is no impugned and maligned by the vicious Kiko’s for something Chuck White thought up himself.
You people continue to lower yourself daily in the eyes of the whole island. Quit while you’re ahead. Get out of that thing.

Church Lay Leaders Call News Conference to “Refute” Archbishop’s Allegations of Financial Mismanagement

CHURCH LAY LEADERS CALL NEWS CONFERENCE TO “REFUTE” ARCHBISHOP’S ALLEGATIONS OF FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT

Last Updated on Wednesday, 06 August 2014 07:50Written by News ReleaseWednesday, 06 August 2014 07:45
Guam News – Guam News

Guam – A news conference comprised of various individuals who have assisted in the financial matters of the Catholic Cemeteries of Guam and the Cathedral-Basilica will be held to respond to, correct, and refute allegations of financial mismanagement made public by Archbishop Sablan Apuron.
These individuals have given of their time, professional acumen, and personal resources to assist Msgr. James Benavente in bringing to order the financial matters of these two entities prior to, during, and after the report by Deloitte and Touche and the allegation of financial mismanagement by Archbishop Apuron.

The news conference will be held at 10:00 a.m. today, August 6, 2014, on the front steps of the Cathedral-Basilica.

As this point, the following individuals have confirmed their attendance and participation:

Mr. Joseph Rivera, former Director of the Bureau of Budget & Management Research
Mr. Art Ilagan, Insurance & Banking Commissioner and former Director of the Department of Revenue & Taxation
Mr. Rick Duenas, Certified Public Accountant and son of former Chief Judge and Sir Knight Cristobal C. Duenas.
Mr. Richard Untalan, past chairman of the Archdiocesan Finance Council
Deacon Steve Martinez, former Finance Officer of the Archdiocese of Agaña.

http://pacificnewscenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47542:church-lay-leaders-call-news-conference-to-qrefuteq-archbishops-allegations-of-financial-mismanagement&catid=45:guam-news&Itemid=156

TUESDAY, AUGUST 5, 2014

PACIFIC DAILY NEWS: PETER ONEDERA’S COLUMN

English translation follows the Chamorro. http://www.guampdn.com/article/20140805/OPINION02/308050009/Kao-malilingu-respetu-t-aring-tkumu-baluhan-kottura-Kao malilingu i respetu tåtkumu baluhan kottura?

Piniti yu’ na ma huchom i Faninadahen Kosas Katidråt-Basilika. Noskuåntos menhalom taotao siha manma cho’cho’ para u ma pripåra i ma baba-ña ya måtto minagof-hu na sumaonao yu’. Hu tungo’ put fin put i tinaftaf hestoriå-ña i Gima’Yu’os Katoliku gi iya Guåhan yan i kantidån sakrifisiu siha ni’ manma sungon ni’ taotao Gima’Yu’os.

WHO IS BLOCKLEY? – UPDATE

On “her” other blog, the one she talks to herself with, “Diana” has posted a tired old swipe at Fr. Matthew Blockley, an APB to the bishops “brotherhood” to flush out Blockley. “She” posted it of course because Archbishop Apuron is desperate to discredit Blockley because Blockley has “the goods”.
Fr. Blockley was AWOL for a very good reason. In fact, if it had happened to you, you’d go AWOL too. And THAT my friends is the “rest of the story” which will now soon follow…and in which you will soon learn why Saipan has no bishop several years after Bishop Camacho’s retirement. (There’s a reason Rome did not ask him to stay on.)
In fact, this is the story that I think Dan Brown may eventually pick up. (Okay. I took out the part about the suggested title. It was just a bit of a warning to the other side not to mess with stuff they know nothing about. Blockley was supposed to be dead, remember?)

LETTER IN SUPPORT OF FR. EFREN ADVERSARIO FROM Fr. Thomas P. Doyle, J.C.D., C.A.D.C.

August 4, 2014
Dear Mr. Rohr,
Recently a good friend of mine forwarded to me a link to your blog and suggested I open it which I did.  There I found a letter from Fr. Ephren Adversario.  I was intrigued by the letter and decided to ask some questions.  I learned that Fr. Ephren has been subjected to an attack (or attacks) on his integrity.  Learning this I decided to write in support of Ephren.
Fr. Adversario and I were chaplains and officers together at Ramstein Air Base in Germany.  From the day I met him we became good friends.  We served together at a very large military base during very difficult and challenging times.  I learned very quickly that Fr. Ephren was everything a chaplain should be.  He was completely unselfish with his talents and his time and was highly respected by the troops and commanders alike.  He was, and is, an outstanding priest and was an outstanding officer.  I was very disappointed to learn that he had to leave the Air Force for compelling family reasons.  He was the kind of priest and chaplain that is most effective in the military.  He was also very highly respected by all segments of the Catholic Chapel community.  This was a community that included military members and their families, civilian contractors, civilian teachers and even some retirees.  Balancing an effective ministry to such a diverse community demanded maturity, balance and integrity and Fr. Ephren had an abundance of all.  I envied his ability to function so successfully and to balance the diverse demands of the base.  An effective Air Force chaplain must be a good officer, a dedicated, solid priest and a man of integrity.  He must be capable of effectively serving the Catholic community as well as the wider military community.  Fr. Ephren was all of these.
I have missed having regular contact with Ephren.  I know that after our assignments together ended that he went on to serve with distinction in the middle east.  One has to actually have served in a high-stress combat zone to appreciate the unique demands and the constant stress.  Fr. Ephren served the troops and served his country with the highest degree of distinction and integrity.  Anyone, from layperson to archbishop who questions his integrity would do well to ask himself or herself if they could walk the path he has walked and come even close to doing so with a fraction of the dedication and integrity.
 Thomas P. Doyle, J.C.D., C.A.D.C.

NEWS TIP: URGENT

The “new administration” at the cathedral has been harassing Msgr. James and his staff as they attempt to move out of the rectory and the parish offices, forcing them to open up boxes for examination and basically giving them a TSA anal. This is sick. Show your support for them today at the Cathedral rectory as they attempt to finish moving out today around 10:AM.

BOOK MARK THOUGHTFULCATHOLIC.COM

Few people  have done as much scholarly research into the underlying theology of the Neocatechumenal Way as has done Guam resident, Chuck White. While his website, The Thoughtful Catholic, is devoted to a variety of topics, he has devoted a great amount of his “thoughtfulness” to the underlying issues that are at the root of the problem with the Neocatechumenal Way. After the Pacific News Center interview with him yesterday, I asked him to move his research, at least temporarily, to his home page so it would be easier to find, and he has.
Mr. White’s research is critical to our endeavor on JungleWatch because without it, the current spat would just seem like a fight between the old and the new. It isn’t. It is actually a fight between the old and the even older – the even older being the age old inclination to mold a god of our own image. I get accused of this all the time though no one actually substantiates those allegations. On the contrary, Mr. White DOES substantiate his allegations, and those being that there are many things very different about the theology of the Neocatechumenal Way.
Visit his website and bookmark it.

Što se događa kad je i sam nadbiskup “na Putu”

“Put” pokazuje znakove kulta ili sekte

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Nadbiskup Anthony Auron (Nadbiskupija Guam) odredio je da svaki čovjek koji se sprema za ređenja u Guamu mora “neko vrijeme biti na Putu”. Učinio je doduše, uz velike muke, nekoliko iznimaka.

Lokalni se svećenici žale na problem favoriziranja nekatekumenskih svećenika i bogoslova koje se puno bolje tretira. Kad je jedan svećenik, o. Paul Gofigan, uporno odbijao dopustiti ulazak “Puta” u svoju župu bez određenih ustupaka, bio je nezakonito potjeran iz te župe. Njegova žalba trenutno je u Rimu.

Sam Nadbiskup je “na Putu”. Kad je netko na Putu on se podlaže vlasti “katehista” koji su zaduženi za pojedine neokatekumenske zajednice. Ti katehisti, bez obzira na suprotne tvrdnje neokatekumena, su članovi međunarodne hijerarhije koja djeluje neovisno od svećenika i biskupa.

Mnogima od nas se čini da je Nadbiskup pod kontrolom tog nekatekumenskog vodstva i da ne djeluje u najboljem interesu svoga puka.

Prije nekog vremena, negdje oko dvije godine, na zahtjev neokatekumenskog vodstva, Nadbiskup je predložio da se imovina bogoslovije u Yoni preda neprofitnoj organizaciji koju kontrolira Put. Imovina je procijenjena na minimalno 35 milijuna dolara.

Kad su Vijeće za financije i Vijeće za pravna pitanja uložili prigovor, Nadbiskup je otpustio one članove Vijeće za financije koji su se tome protivili te imenovao nove članove koji će se suglasiti sa njegovom odlukom. Ne zna se je li Nadbiskup od tada išta učinio kako bi prenio vlasništvo ili kako bi prekrio pravog titulara vlasništva.

U mnogim situacijama različiti bogoslovi i svećenici iz drugih zemalja, kao i najmanje jedan profesor, su pokazivali aroganciju prema urođeničkoj kulturu Guama, a osobito su ismijavali mjesni običaj moljenja za mrtve i krivo karakterizirali mjesna vjerovanja o molitvi.

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The Way shows signs of a cult or sect

Aug. 4, 2014 1:35 AM   |
 <B>Archbishop Anthony Apuron </B>

Archbishop Anthony Apuron

Written by

Charles White

The imposition of the Neocatechumenal Way upon the Catholic Church in Guam is a root cause of the controversies recently reported here in this newspaper.

The Neocatechumenal Way, as many already know, is a movement within the Catholic Church that started in the ’60s in Spain. It now has spread across the world and it is reported to have over a million members. It has received some level of approval from the last several popes, but not without also receiving some stern warnings from those same popes.

Why is the Neocatechumenal Way stirring discussions and controversy? In a nutshell, “The Way” exhibits many of the classic signs of a cult or sect, and it’s this sectarianism that is the source of most of the problems. When I say “cult,” please know that I am not comparing them to something as dangerous as Jim Jones’ Peoples Temple, I’m just saying that they exhibit some alarming cultish tendencies.

Here are some examples of their sectarianism:

• Adherents call their movement “the Way” and the definite article “the” seems to be no accident, because time after time, their pastoral practice suggests that they believe that there is no other way.

• Members of the Neocatechumenal Way practice their faith in a way that largely separates them from their parishes. For example, they celebrate Mass away from the Church proper every Saturday night, instead of attending normal parish Masses. While they insist that these Masses are open to others, in practice, they are not. They are not even published in the parish bulletin. Even the high holy days of the Triduum — Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter — are celebrated apart from the parish.

• The is a definite cult of personality surrounding the founder of the Neocatechumenal Way, Francisco “Kiko” Arguello. All music and art used in worship by the members here is composed by their founder, Kiko, as is much or most of the liturgical furnishings. Read more about that at http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=824.

• Neocatechumenal teaching is found in a 13-volume “Catechetical Director,” but these documents have not been made public and are quite difficult to find. Most members of the Way have never seen them.

• Some two years after joining the movement, members that aspire to move into a higher stage subject themselves to a “Scrutiny,” where they are compelled to share their deepest crosses/secrets/sins publicly with their community. I highlight the dangers online at http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=895. Some two years after that, members undergo another “Scrutiny,” where they are subjected to a panel that goes over all their faults and sins. They are then compelled to do a “concrete act” to show their devotion to Christ, an act that involves giving away expensive jewelry, land, cars and other property.

Archbishop Anthony Apuron has mandated that every man seeking ordination in Guam must “walk for a time in the Way.” He has made a few concessions to this mandate, but not without much struggle on the part of the men seeking them.

Local priests complain of favoritism on the part of the archbishop. Neocatechumenal priests and seminarians are treated much more favorably, it is said. When one priest, Father Paul Gofigan, consistently refused to allow the Way into his parish without some concessions, he was uncanonically ousted from the leadership of his parish. That case is on appeal in Rome.

The archbishop himself is “walking in the Way.” When one walks in the Way, one places oneself under the authority of the “catechists” that are assigned to one’s Neocatechumenal community. These catechists, despite Neocatechumenal assertions to the contrary, are members of an international hierarchy that acts independently of the pastors and bishops.

To many of us, the archbishop seems to be under the control of the Neocatechumenal leadership, and he does not seem to be acting in the best interests of his diverse flock here. Some time ago — about two years ago, I believe — at the request of Neocatechumenal leadership, the archbishop proposed to convey the seminary property in Yona to a nonprofit organization controlled by the Way. This property is conservatively estimated to be worth $35 million.

When his finance council and legal counsel objected, he fired the finance council members who objected and appointed new members who would agree. It is unknown if the archbishop has done anything since then to convey or cloud the title to this property.

There have been many occasions where the seminarians and priests from other countries, as well as at least one seminary professor, have exhibited an arrogance toward the indigenous culture of Guam, in particular, ridiculing the local practice of praying for the dead and mischaracterizing local beliefs about that prayer. An example of this can be found online at http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=7587.

I have tried to lay out some of these problems in my blog, The Thoughtful Catholic, and I have gathered the links to these particular posts into one page at http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=766.

 

Charles White is a resident of Tamuning.

Zašto “običnim” neosima ništa ne plaća “organizacija”, a Crkva nekim katolicima plaća?

Submitted on 2014/07/30 at 7:26 am

Sa dobrim dijelom se slažem ali sa nekim stvarima ne.

Moram istaknuti da nisam čuo da je zajednica htjela dati novce jednom bratu u potrebi koji nije u zajednici. Očekujem da će neki katehisti to pohvaliti kao bratsku ljubav ali nebih se čudio da su oni to stopirali jer on više nije na Putu.

Neokatekumenima nije cilj da prenesu ljude koji idu nedjeljom na misu i da ih drže samo subotom na neokatekumenskoj misi. Katehisti koji put istaknu da bi ljudi barem jednom mjesečno trebali ići na nedjeljnu misu. Ovo neki rade neki ne. Do ovoga se posebno ne drži. U praksi oni koji su i prije Puta bili u Crkvi i dalje idu na nedjeljne mise a oni koji prije Puta nisu imali nikakve veze sa Crkvom nemaju niti na Putu. Nije nikome cilj uništiti Crkvu. Problemi koji se dešavaju u župama su više nesretna nuspojava nego namjerno razaranje Crkve.

Što se tiće plaćanja. Prvih 7-8 godina novci koji se izdvajaju izdvajaju se isključivo za potrebe zajednice, znači to ne ide skoro nikom osim matičnoj zajednici koja te novce daje. Međutim to jesu izdašne svote i poprilično opterećenje za ljude sa mnogo djece. Mene je iznenadilo kako neki uopće uspiju zgrnuti te novce. Na Putu se ne vidi božja providnost nego izvanredna sposobnost ljudi da proizvedu rezultat (konkretno da prehrane djecu) kada ih se stavi u tu situaciju govoreći im da će Bog providjeti dok zapravo proviđaju oni, prijatelji, familija itd.
Moram naglasiti da će neki radije umrijeti nego otići sa Puta jer im on znači život, tako da im ove svote nije teško platiti.

Ono što je nepravedno je to što se na Putu stalno drobi o toj božjoj providnosti a nigdje drugdje putovanja nisu više koštala pojedinca nego na Putu.
Kada sam išao u Australiju platio sam je 14000 kuna. Pošto je to bio dan mladih bilo je tamo ekipe iz drugih Crkvenih krugova a ne samo neokatekumena. Bila je jedna moja kolegica sa faksa koja nije bila neokatekumen. Njoj je Crkva ili netko drugi financirao put u Australiju!
Kada sam nedavno sa salezijancima išao 4 dana u Beč, smještaj nije bio u hotelu ali je bio dostojan čovjeka i jedino što sam trebao platiti je autobus 200 kuna, a i to je Crkva do pola financirala znači samo 100. Svu hranu je financirala Crkva a smještaj su osigurali naši domaćini, nitko me pare pitao nije. 4 dana u Beču 100 kuna + prijevoz po gradu par eura.
Svi moji kolege koji ne idu u Crkvu nego naprimjer sudjeluju kao sportski suci na internacionalnim događajima po cijelom svijetu imaju više manje sve plaćeno od organizacije. Moja kolegica je prošla od Koreje do Brazila bez da je išta morala sama financirati. Financira ih organizacija.

Neokatekumenski Put nije UEFA da ima nezavisan izvor financiranja i nisu mi dužni ništa dati ali čemu onda pričati o Božjoj providnosti?
Kakva je to božja providnost di ja sam sebi moram plaćati ama baš sve eskurzije Puta, ili još gore da mi plaća netko od moje braće ako ja nemam dovoljno? Za kartu kući dvojice naših neokatekumenskih sjemeništaraca zajednica je trebala izdvojiti isto oko 10000 kuna jer su na drugom kontinentu.
Kad se sjetim kako se trubilo o toj božjoj providnosti na katehezama i kako se trubi kada nekoga treba natjerati na još jedno dijete a te providnosti ne samo da nema nego te matična organizacija (Put) ništa financijski ne pomaže… ti pomažeš nju!

Sekularne organizacije i Crkva plaćaju putovanja svojih sljedbenika/službenika (makar i Crkva jednom tjedno uzima lemozinu samo to nije u tolikim iznosima po pojedincu). A na Putu kojem je glavni pristupni faktor “ti nemožeš svojim snagama , Bog proviđa, Bog daje besplatno ” ti plaćaš ne samo za sebe nego i za druge ako nemaju.

I onda nakon drugog prijelaza tebe se traži 10% prihoda zato jer je novac tvoj Bog i baš se nikako drukčije tog idola nemožeš riješiti nego da ga daš njima…

Ja nemam problem sa time da ljudi ako hoće plaćaju Putu jer za neke od njih Put znači život.
Ali imam problem sa LAŽIMA o Božjoj providnosti koje se pričaju na početku. To su priče i fraze sa kojima se tebe uvuče u zajednicu misleći da ćeš dobiti nešto besplatno. A kada njima treba novaca onda više nema te priče o Božjoj providnosti.
Nema ni toga da oni tebe lijepo mole da ti njima daš novce za koje točno znaš di idu.
Nego se doslovno izmišlja da je novac tvoj Bog i preko osjećaja krivnje i socijalnog pritiska se od tebe vade novci. Čak i da novac jest tvoj idol. ti bi ga trebao dati nekom nasumično da se riješiš svog idola ,ali ne daješ ga direktno njima…

Nije problem plaćanje nego manipulacija , laži izvrtanje i dvostruki standardi.
Možda mi zbog ovog što ću sad napisati jednom bude žao ali ovako funkcionira kult.

Koliko sljedbenika košta njegov “put”

Submitted on 2014/07/28 at 6:30 pm

Hvaljen Isus i Marija

Za početak, ovo što ću dalje pisati nije niti 1% važnosti od onoga što je Papa poručio Kikovim svjedocima: sljedbenicima NP crkve. A to je navedeno u slijedećim postovima:

Kiko u posjetu Papi http://www.paxtibi.net/?p=2384 Papa srdačno primio ali i jasno zatražio da poštuje crkvena pravila, a osobito da bude “transparentan”. Dotični ističu da su mnogi biskupi spremni zatvoriti Put u svojim biskupijama zbog ozbiljnih problema oko zajedništva i poslušnosti.

Tri Papine preporuke neosima http://www.paxtibi.net/?p=2336 Svačiju slobodu treba poštivati, također i kad netko odluči izvan Neokatekumenskog puta tražiti drugačiji oblik kršćanskoga života koji će mu pomoći odgovoriti na Božji poziv – istaknuo je Papa.

A sad, detaljnije o Kikovim svjedocima: sljedbenicima NP crkve:
Ispravak netočnog navoda: “Neokatekumeni trebaju novac”. Pravi navod bi trebao glasiti: “NP crkva: crkva Kikovih svjedoka treba novac a njihovi sljedbenici baš i ne.”

Zašto? Zato jer u NP crkvi svoje sljedbenike uvjeravaju da je novac: smeće, zlo, idol i sličnim frazama. A sve s ciljem da od njih iscijede i otmu što više tog novca. A taj novac se upotrebljava isključivo za rast, razvoj i širenje NP crkve: crkve Kikovih svjedoka. Znači, ukratko, sljedbenici NP crkve kao pojedinci ne trebaju novac ali njihova NP crkva treba njihov, a i tuđi novac. A sve situacije u kojima se prosječni sljedbenik NP crkve pita: kako do novca, kako do materijalnih stvari za osnovno preživljavanje (stan, hrana, režije, odjeća) nazivaju: Božjom providnošću. U tim situacijama izbjegavaju spominjati riječ novac i to zamjenjuju s riječima: Božja providnost.

Ne samo da od svojih sljedbenika otimaju taj novac, nego ga otimaju i od ostalih župljana u župama u kojima borave. Na primjer, na svojim misama ne skupljaju milostinju koja bi išla za potrebe župe. Tako da ispada da ostali župljani financiraju boravak sljedbenika NP crkve u svojim župama. A sljedbenici NP crkve novac koji otimaju i cijede od svojih sljedbenika upotrebljavaju za rast, razvoj, širenje i održavanje NP crkve: crkve Kikovih svjedoka s krajnjim ciljem uništenja RKC u ovom obliku i njenom preobrazbom u NP crkvu: crkvu Kikovih svjedoka.

Ima još načina kako otimaju novac od župljana u župama u kojima borave. Jedan od načina je taj da većina sljedbenika NP crkve: crkve Kikovih svjedoka prestaje ići nedjeljom na svetu Misu i ide subotom na Kikovu misu (ovo činite Kiku na spomen). Samim tim prestanu i davati nedjeljom milostinju.

NP crkva: crkva Kikovih svjedoka i na ostale načine voli primati novac od onih koji nisu njeni sljedbenici a pri tome ne daju svoj novac drugima. Jedan od primjera su obitelji Kikovih svjedoka s više djece. Većina takvih obitelji nema toliko vlastitih prihoda da bi se mogli prehraniti. A onda, bake i djedovi misle: pa to su moji unuci i unuke. E pa varate se. Nisu to vaši unuci i unuke. Nisu to ni vaša djeca koja su roditelji vaših unuka. Svi nabrojani su Kikovo vlasništvo, svi oni su robovi i roboti NP crkve: crkve Kikovih svjedoka. Primarni cilj, ono što je na prvom mjestu (fraza u neosima: stavite boga na prvo mjesto) jest NP crkva, širenje, rast, razvoj i održavanje NP crkve. Tom cilju služe i vaša djeca i vaši unuci i unuke koje su već u dobi da su postali Kikovi svjedoci, postali sljedbenici NP crkve. A “vaši” unuci i unuke koji još nisu u toj dobi, čim dođu u tu dob biti će pripojeni NP crkvi. To i jest primarni cilj zašto rađaju djecu: da bi ih jednog dana pripojili NP crkvi. A svi ostali motivi za rađanje te djece su tek na drugim i ostalim mjestima.

A i država misli: pa što onda da pomažemo tim obiteljima, to je naš narod, to je budućnost našeg naroda. Varaju i vas gospodo i vas drugovi. Nisu to budući Hrvati, Austrijanci, Argentinci. Jer, jednog dana će se mnogi sljedbenici NP crkve: Kikovi svjedoci, preseliti i nastaniti u nekoj drugoj državi u koju ih pošalje hijerarhija NP crkve. A, varajući druge, i ti Kikovi sljedbenici će biti sami prevareni: misle kako idu u te druge države navještati Krista a zapravo idu navještati NP crkvu, kako idu stvarati RKC a idu stvarati NP crkvu, kako idu evangelizirati a zapravo idu širiti i razvijati NP crkvu, kako idu širiti kršćanstvo a zapravo idu širiti NeoKikoKatekumenizam.

Ne samo da novac NP crkve ide isključivo za njihove potrebe, nego i sljedbenici NP crkve koji su u novčanoj potrebi (ali tek nakon što se namire potrebe NP crkve: hoteli, neokatekumenska sjemeništa…) mogu očekivati neke mrvice od tog kolača samo ako ispune sljedeće uvjete: da su redoviti u NP crkvi, odnosno da “čine put” i da su “u poslušnosti katehistima”. Ponoviti ću jedan primjer. Sljedbenici jedne zajednice NP crkve su htjeli skupiti novac da pomognu jednom svom sljedbeniku koji je ostao u situaciji da nije imao za sebe niti za svoje dijete. Kad su to katehisti dočuli, pobunili su se protiv te akcije s riječima: pa, možete vi skupiti i dati taj novac, ali zašto to činite kad ta osoba rijetko dolazi u zajednicu (NP crkvu). Drugim riječima, neka crkne i ta osoba i to njezino dijete jer nije redovita u zajednici (NP crkvi).

Koliko godišnje (najmanje) košta prosječnog sljedbenika članstvo u NP crkvi? Evooo, eetooo, jednog okvirnog izračuna: 50 kn mjesečno kolekte za potrebe zajednice (600,00 kn godišnje), 1 hodošašće godišnje prosjek 2.500,00 kn, 1 konvencija u hotelu 600,00 kn, još 1 hotel godišnje za odgovorne, suodgovorne, kantore 900,00 kn, ostale potrebe (reklamiranje NP crkve, kupovina “znakova”, kupovina Kikovih knjiga, doručak za uskrs, slavljenje nove godine, predstava za tri kralja, “fali za ovo, fali za ono”…) 300,00 kn, što ukupno iznosi od najmanje 4.000,00 kn do 4.900,00 kn. U to nisu uključeni “specijalni” događaji koji se ne događaju svake godine (skrutiniji i slično).

Dakako, pošto je za njih novac smeće, sve navedene cifre (osim hodočašća) se ubacuju u kese za smeće, pa vas nitko ne može kontrolirati dali ste baš vi dali novac. Ali, ako vi ne ubacite novac u kesu, to netko drugi mora učiniti za vas. Nakon drugog prijelaza dajete 1/10 mjesečne plaće koju zarađujete. Tako da vas članstvo nakon drugog prijelaza košta i više. Manje vas nemože koštati jer je sve prije nabrojano minimum minimuma koji morate pribaviti za članstvo u NP crkvi. No to nije sve, od vas će puno puta, na ovaj ili ona način, u ovoj ili onoj situaciji, na ovom ili onom prijelazu, tražiti da date svu svoju imovinu.

Nije teško izračunati koliko košta članstvo obitelji s osmero djece (plus roditelji) u NP crkvi. 10 puta 4.000,00 do 4.900,00 kn što godišnje iznosi 40.000,00 do 49.000,00 kn. Pa se čovjek zapita da li ti roditelji nemaju dosta vlastitog novca za prehranjivanje vlastite obitelji radi malih plaća, radi puno djece, radi nezaposlenosti ili radi toga jer i oni i njihova djeca moraju biti sljedbenicima NP crkve.

Prije nego krenem dalje, odgovoriti ću na pitanje “zabrinutih” roditelja te djece: gdje mogu čuti Riječ Božju bez da plaćaju godišnju članarinu od najmanje 4.000,00 kn. Mogu je čuti (pročitati) u Bibliji, mogu je čuti na nedjeljnjim Misama u RKC i tako dalje.

Većina navedenih obitelji “ne živi bajno”, kao i dosta “običnih” sljedbenika NP crkve koji dijeli “sudbinu” s ostalim građanima zemlje u kojoj žive. Za razliku od njih, budući Kikovi neokatekumenski svećenici iz Kikovih sjemeništa žive u potpuno drukčijim uvjetima. I to oni ne taje. Kad se dolazi u posjet tim neoskim sjemeništima oni otvoreni kažu kako je Kiko naredio da ta sjemeništa moraju izgledati “tip top” jer kaže Kiko da kad je Bog stvarao raj da ga je stvorio “lijepim, vauu, tip top”. I da tako moraju izgledati neokatekumenska sjemeništa. Drugim riječima, ta sjemeništa sagrađena od novca Kikovih sljedbenika moraju izgledati kao “u raju” dok ti isti sljedbenici koji su dali taj novac neka žive “kao u paklu”. Jer, novac je za obične sljedbenike NP crkve smeće, zlo, idol koji oni moraju u crnim kesama skupiti i predati NP crkvi. A taj novac koji će se koristiti isključivo za gradnju, širenje i održavanje NP crkve, u NP crkvi će se preobraziti u raj, zlo će se pretvoriti u dobro. Ili će taj proces nazivati evangelizacijom i drugim frazama. A Papa će im govoriti o slobodi, govoriti će im o Biskupima koji žele zatvoriti “put” i o transparentnosti i o crkvenim pravilima…

Blagoslovio nas svemogući Bog, sačuvao nas od svakoga zla i doveo u raj sve duše, osobito one kojima je najveća potreba Isusovog milosrđa.

Kiko u posjetu Papi

 

 

Papa Franjo primio Kika u privatnoj audijenciji. Neokatekumenski i vatikanski izvori kažu da ga je Papa srdačno primio ali i jasno zatražio da poštuje crkvena pravila, a osobito da bude “transparentan”. Dotični ističu da su mnogi biskupi spremni zatvoriti Put u svojim biskupijama zbog ozbiljnih problema oko zajedništva i poslušnosti.

Interesantno je da neosi nisu previše govorili o tom susretu javno.

Kiko avvisato, mezzo salvato…

Mercoledì scorso (9 luglio 2014) papa Francesco ha ricevuto in udienza privata Kiko Argüello.

Il Papa sopporta Kiko (1° febbraio 2014)

Da fonti neocat e da fonti vaticane, il Papa con l’accoglienza che gli è propria, ma con altrettanta fermezza, ha chiesto a Kiko di obbedire alla norme della Chiesa e soprattutto di essere “trasparente“.

Gli ha fatto presente che sono molti i vescovi che sono intenzionati a chiudere il Cammino nelle loro diocesi per seri problemi di comunione e di obbedienza (soprattutto da parte di preti).

(da: Sarah)

Santo Padre habría pedido obediencia

La razón del extraño silencio neocatecumenal , sobre lo conversado entre Kiko con el Santo Padre , en la  audiencia privada que sostuvieron la semana pasada  podría deberse a lo siguiente:

Por fuentes neocatecumenales y del Vaticano nos hemos enterado que Kiko fue recibido con la gran cordialidad  que le es propia al Santo Padre, pero con igual firmeza el Papa  pidió a Kiko que obedezca la reglas de la iglesia y  a ser transparente. El Papa señaló que hay muchos obispos dispuestos a cerrar el camino en sus diócesis por problemas serios de comunión y obediencia (sobretodo de parte de los sacerdotes).

Neokatekumeni trebaju novac

Djelo nove evangelizacije itekako ima veze s novcem jer hoteli ne plaćaju sami sebe, kaže Kiko.

 

lunes, 14 de julio de 2014

Los neocatecumenales necesitan dinero.

Como se publicó anteriormente en Crux Sancta, por mandato expreso del fundador del Camino Neocatecumenal, Francisco José Gómez de Argüello Wirtz, se tenía que “hacer una colecta, antes del veranoque venga en auxilio de la evangelización“. Lo cierto es que los gastos de la evangelización son cuantiosos y más si estamos hablando de 400.000 euros en hoteles, pero éste es un sacrificio que Kiko Argüello está dispuesto a padecer.

Pese a la bolsa fuerte en la convi del mes, parece ser que las comunidades de la realidad eclesial en América, Portual y España no han logrado satisfacer la cuantía deseada (cuantía que precisó el propio Kiko desde Manila, Filipinas). Es por ello que, una vez finalizado el mes de junio, se ha procedido a pasar un nuevo correo a las comunidades invitando a los hermanos y benefactores, informando/ recordando/ insistiendo con los datos de la cuenta corriente de la Fundación Familia de Nazaret para poder hacer algún ingreso, en el caso de no haberlo hecho en la convivencia de junio.

Este es el correo que se nos ha hecho llegar a la redacción de Crux Sancta:

 —–Mensaje original—–
> De:
> Enviado el: jueves, 03 de julio de 2014 16:46
> Para:
> Asunto: COLECTA Fundacion familia de Nazaret
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> Hola a todos,
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> Por si alguno queréis hacer una donación a la Fundacion familia de Nazaret, os paso los datos:
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> FUNDACION FAMILIA DE NAZARET
> Blasco de Garay 8
> 28015 Madrid
> CIF: G80560303
>
> BANCO SANTANDER
> IBAN: ES5400491892632210205896
> SWIFT: BSCHESMMXXX
> “Donación ayuda Seminarios”

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> La paz
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Y ya saben, ¡a colaborar con la nueva evangelización! que los hoteles no se pagan solos.

Ne moraš puno lagati

 

The Letter

Kiku sklone novine iz Guama (nažalost službeno glasilo Nadbiskupije Agana) objavljuju kako je kardinal iz Manile, Luis Antonio Tagle, pozvao kikose na Filipine poradi susreta s mladima. Nadbiskup Tagle isto demantira u svom pismu upućenom novinarki Jennifer. Naime, kikosi iz Manile su tražili sastanak s Nadbiskupom i pozvali ga na susret,  a ne obratno.

Dakle, laž uz dozu istine da se ne ugušiš.

Je li “put” uopće popravljiv?

Submitted on 2014/05/22 at 9:35 am

Hvaljen Isus i Marija

Komentar navoda Malog Kekeca: “Kako zajednice uopće razviju manipulativna pravila?”

Pokušavaš objasniti kako dolazi do toga. U pravu si što si rekao. Ima tu još dosta toga za pisati da bi se to objasnilo. Vrlo je važno u tim objašnjenjima znati da se to događa posvuda po svijetu gdje postoje neokatekumeni i njihove “zajednice”, odnosno Kikovi svjedoci; sljedbenici NP crkve. One zajednice gdje se to manje događa se “raspadnu” ili je u postotku veći broj odlazaka iz tih “zajednica”. Svakako je potrebno dosta pisati o tome. Ono što sam zapravo htio reći jest to što je Bog “napisao” o tome. A rekao je

Lažni proroci (Mt 7,15)
(Lk 6,43-44)
15″Čuvajte se lažnih proroka koji dolaze k vama u ovčjem odijelu, a iznutra su vuci grabežljivi. 16Po njihovim ćete ih plodovima prepoznati. Bere li se s trnja grožđe ili s bodljike smokve? 17Tako svako dobro stablo rađa dobrim plodovima, a nevaljalo stablo rađa plodovima zlim. 18Ne može dobro stablo donijeti zlih plodova niti nevaljalo stablo dobrih plodova. 19Svako stablo koje ne rađa dobrim plodom siječe se i u oganj baca. 20Dakle: po plodovima ćete ih njihovim prepoznati.”

Oni koji misle da će “poboljšati neokatekumenski put”, “staviti pod kontrolu neokatekumenski put”, “ispraviti neokatekumenski put”, “da se to neće u njihovim župama ili biskupijama događati” su u krivu. A to misle zato jer su ili nedovoljno informirani ili su izmanipulirani s strane neokatekemenskog puta ili nemaju vjere pa misle da će ih neokatekumeni “spasiti” ili su jednostavno oholi. Neokatekumenski put se treba ukinuti jer je zlo stablo koje rađa zlim plodovima. Ako, ako bi se i uspjelo neokatekumenski put “dovesti u red” i promijeniti ga, to onda više nebi bio neokatekumenski put o ovom obliku kakav jest sad.

Blagoslovio nas svemogući Bog, sačuvao nas od svakoga zla i doveo u raj sve duše, osobito one kojima je najveća potreba Isusovog milosrđa.

Manipulacija uvjet opstanka

” I nije im dosta, nego vas neprestano zovu natrag da se mogu i dalje iživljavati nad vama, zlostavljati vas i što više vas iscijediti i upotrijebiti isključivo za rast, širenje i razvoj neokatekumenskog puta.”

Malo sam razmišljao o tome koji je pravi razlog zašto Put izgleda kao da je okrenut sam sebi.

Nebih rekao da katehisti svjesno okreću ljude prema Putu da bi ih mogli iskorištavati. Vjerujem da to rade jer smatraju da čine dobro jer smatraju sve izvan Puta nesretnima, pa su manipulacije dopuštene u svrhu višeg cilja da se te ljude održi sretnima.
Katehisti zapravo i sami slijepo slijede pravila koja su im nametnuta i zapečaćena poslušnošću.
Vjerujem da su se ova pravila intuitivno razvijala kroz cijelu povijest neokatekumenskog Puta.

Stvar je zapravo jednostavna.
One zajednice koje nisu strahom manipulirale svoje sljedbenike nisu imale dovoljnu motivaciju da zadrže svoje sljedbenike pa su se raspale ili nisu bile dovoljno utjecajne da svoj nemanipulativni duh šire dalje.
One zajednice koje su opstale su osim koristi svojim zajednicama imale i dodatne manipulativne psihološke mehanizme koje su potpomagale da ljudi ostaju u zajednici i time su te zajednice dale mnogo potomaka i svećenika. Time su postale utjecajnije na Putu a time je postao i jači manipulativni duh koji su propagirale.
Ljudi u zajednicama ne razmišljaju puno o pravilima, oni ih jednostavno prihvate.

Kako zajednice uopće razviju manipulativna pravila? Pa pretpostavljam da se ta pravila razvijaju isto kao i u monopoliju. Ako u igri monopoli neka pravila nisu jasno definirana i usljed igre dođe do konflikta u interpretaciji,jači pojedinci će interpretirati ta pravila u svojem interesu. Isto tako vjerujem da će neokatekumeni uvijek interpretirati “Božju volju” u svojem interesu. A koji je njihov interes? Da ono u što su uložili cijeli svoj život preživi, opstane i raste. I zbog toga će tu i tamo doći do fraza tipa “ako napraviš izađeš iz zajednice za 15 godina bi ti se nešto moglo desiti.”

Vjerujem da je preko ovih mehanizama kroz 40 godina Neokatekumenski Put evoluirao svoja pravila malo po malo, zajednicu po zajednicu, generaciju po generaciju. Evoluirao ih je tako da koriste ljudima u njima ali da uvijek prvo koriste Putu i da nikada nisu njemu na štetu.

Jedostavno bi bilo reći da su katehisti namjerno manipulativni i da su svega svijesni.
Vidite i sami koliko kritiziram Put, ali u ovo jednostavno ne vjerujem jer ovo nisam vidio na katehistima.
Oni nisu svjesni zla koje čine…

Možda sam u krivu, ali reći da zlo rade namjerno mi je nekako jeftino objašnjenje kao što je jeftino objašnjenje da je nas prevario đavao.

Umri sebi da se u tebi rodi Kiko!

Hvaljen Isus i Marija (Kiko i Carmen?)

Komentar replike 150, ivan, navodi “Tim Rohr …. vodi blog pod naslovom Jungle Watch 2,gdje piše o liturgijskim zloporabama i doktrinalnim pogreškama neokatekumenskog puta.Ta razmišljanja, izdat će u knjizi naslovljenoj “Zašto sam katolik” “uključujući i pisanje o bjesu kikovaca” tj, sljedbenika “novog Mojsija šiljaste bradice” koji želi judaizirati kršćanstvo”

Sve više i više knjiga se pojavljuje o Kikovim svjedocima; sljedbenicima NP crkve. Još je veći broj onih po cijelom svijetu koji su izrazili želju da napišu knjigu o njima. Bog blagoslovio i one koji napišu i one koji ne napišu. A daleko najveći je broj onih koji su usmeno ili pismeno svjedočili o Kikovim svjedocima; sljedbenicima NP crkve, kao i o njihovom vođi, šiljatom lašcu, raskolniku i heretiku zvanom Kiko.

Pozivam sve da svjedoče o tom šiljatom manipulatoru i njegovim sljedbenicima. Nemojte ta zla što su vam se tamo dogodila shvatiti osobno, pa da mislite da se to samo vama dogodilo. To isto se događa svugdje po svijetu gdje postoje Kikovi svjedoci; sljedbenici NP crkve. Ako nekom fali hrabrosti, neka ga Bog ohrabri: “Pnz 31,6 Ohrabrite se i budite odlučni! Ne bojte se i nemojte predati pred njima.” A neka ta ista Riječ ohrabri i one koji žele otići iz neokatekumeskih ralja a ne mogu. I Papa je uz vas; pročitajte “Tri Papine preporuke neosima” http://www.paxtibi.net/?p=2336

Iako će vas Kikovi svjedoci uvjeravati u sve suprotno, iako će zazivati razna zla, prokletstva i nesreće nad vama, iako će vas danonoćno optuživati, iako će sve zlo svaliti na vas, zapamtite; vi ste pravednici a oni su zlotvori. I nije im dosta, nego vas neprestano zovu natrag da se mogu i dalje iživljavati nad vama, zlostavljati vas i što više vas iscijediti i upotrijebiti isključivo za rast, širenje i razvoj neokatekumenskog puta.

A onima koji su još uvijek u Kikovim svjedocima to zlo im prikazuju dobrim. Na jednom kratkom primjeru ću to i svjedočiti. Jedan Kikov svjedok se žali drugom kako su se na početku “puta (u pakao?)” više međusobno družili, išli “na kave”. A sad, 10 godina iza, ništa od toga. I odluči ići katehistima požaliti im se na tu činjenicu. Za par dana, pita ga drugi Kikov svjedok, što su katehisti rekli. A ovaj mu, hipnotizirano, ispranog mozga, hladnog pogleda, pogleda “nisam svoj”, osakaćenog razuma, počne objašnjavati da su ga katehisti uvjerili da je to dobro što se oni više međusobno ne druže. Isti ga pita, pa zašto je to dobro? A ovaj mu odgovori da mu ne može to objasniti ali neka i on ode na razgovor s katehistima pa će i on nakon tog razgovora shvatiti da je to dobro. Žalosno, umrli su sebi a u njima se rodio Kiko, umjesto kršćanstva prihvatili su neokatekumenizam.

A dobro će vam prikazivati zlim. To su sve one situacije u kojima NP crkva nije na prvom mjestu.

Blaga je riječ praznovjerje za opisivanje onoga što se događa u NP crkvi.

Preko 90% klerika i laika RKC je donijelo odluku: Kikovi svjedoci; sljedbenici NP crkve? Ne!

I Papa se pridružio onima koji su svjedočili protiv Kikovih svjedoka; sljedbenika NP crkve. U postu “Tri Papine preporuke neosima” http://www.paxtibi.net/?p=2336, preko 90% izrečenog je usmjereno protiv tih otpadnika od vjere.

“1 Tim 4,1 Duh izričito kaže da će u posljednja vremena neki otpasti od vjere i pristati uza zavodničke duhove i đavolske nauke, prevareni od podlih lažaca, kojima je savjest žigosana.”

Blagoslovio nas svemogući Bog, sačuvao nas od svakoga zla i doveo u raj sve duše, osobito one kojima je najveća potreba Isusovog milosrđa.

Na ovoj stranici želimo upoznati čitatelje s problemima u vezi Neokatekumenskog puta