{"id":2773,"date":"2016-07-19T10:28:32","date_gmt":"2016-07-19T10:28:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/?p=2773"},"modified":"2016-07-20T21:45:24","modified_gmt":"2016-07-20T21:45:24","slug":"kikove-menore","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/?p=2773","title":{"rendered":"Kikove menore"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"entry-content\">\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-45767\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/kikos_CAMINO-739869223_Fx7tW-M-300x225.jpg\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" srcset=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/kikos_CAMINO-739869223_Fx7tW-M-300x225.jpg 300w, http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/kikos_CAMINO-739869223_Fx7tW-M.jpg 600w\" alt=\"kikos_CAMINO-739869223_Fx7tW-M\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>pi\u0161e Chuck White<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Za mnoge je katolike iritantna neokatekumenska praksa zamjenjivanja kri\u017ea na njihovim &#8220;oltarima&#8221; s ne\u010dim \u0161to izgleda kao \u017eidovska menora. \u00a0Za\u0161to to \u010dine? \u00a0Postoji li neki skriveni razlog?<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-45774\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/cop.jpg\" alt=\"cop\" width=\"170\" height=\"247\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Daniel Lipschitz, \u017eidovski obra\u0107enik na katoli\u010dku vjeru i biv\u0161i katehist itinerant Neokatekumenskog puta, jednom je izazvao Kika \u00a0u svezi kori\u0161tenja menore u neokatekumenskoj liturgiji. U\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/issuu.com\/daniellifschitz\/docs\/l-immondizia-ama-dio\">svojoj autobiografiji, \u201cL\u2019immondizia Ama Dio\u201d<\/a>(\u201cSme\u0107e ljubi Boga\u201d), Daniel pi\u0161e:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Drugi put sam poku\u0161ao utjecati na promjenu njegova mi\u0161ljenja za jedan liturgijski detalj. Tijekom mise Puta, hanuka se stavlja na stol, osmokraki svije\u0107njak koji se u\u017ei\u017ee tijekom osam dana koliko traje Hanuka blagdan. Deveti krak nije ni\u0161ta drugo nego pomo\u0107 kako bi se svaki dan upalilo svijetlo, do osmog dana blagdana. Upozorio sam Kika da devetokraki svije\u0107njak, koji se pali na svim euharistijskim slavljima Puta, nema smisla u liturgiji. Iznerviran, nije me htio slu\u0161ati: rekao je da broj devet predstavlja evangelizaciju. Mo\u017eda, ali broj osam je za \u017didove, me\u0111u mnogi drugim zna\u010denjima, Mesijin broj; o\u010dito da u kr\u0161\u0107anstvu taj broj predstavlja Isusa Krista. S tom izjavom rasprava je bila zavr\u0161ena. <strong>str. 141<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Daniel je, naravno, bio apsolutno u pravu. Posu\u0111ivati svije\u0107njak iz \u017eidovske hanuka tradicije za upotrebu u slavlju katoli\u010dke euharistije nema nikakvog smisla iz vi\u0161e razloga.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_45769\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-45769 size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/lampstandbk-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"lampstandbk\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Temple Lampstand, Exodus 25:31-40<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Prvo, Hanuka menora nije biblijska menora. \u00a0U\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Exodus+25%3A31-40&amp;version=RSVCE\">Izl 25, 31-40<\/a>, \u010ditamo o sedmokrakoj menori koju zapovijeda Bog za kori\u0161tenje u Hramu.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Nakon Makabejskog ustanka protiv Seleukovi\u0107a, makabejci ponovno uspostavljaju pravo bogoslu\u017eje u Hramu (140. prije Krista).\u00a0Hanuka je \u017eidovski blagdan koji slavi ponovnu posvetu Hrama.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Prije ponovne ustanove hramskog bogo\u0161tovlja, makabejci su obnovili sve sveto posu\u0111e i odje\u0107u u Hramu. Slavlje Hanuke prisje\u0107a se \u010duda u kojem je mala koli\u010dina ulja za posve\u0107eni svije\u0107njak, koja je bila samo za jedan dan, trajala osam dana.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-45784\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/10370335-large-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"10370335-large\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/>Iz tog razloga, Hanuka menora ima osam glavnih svjetala, i deveto &#8220;pomo\u0107no&#8221; svjetlo koje se naziva<a href=\"http:\/\/www.chabad.org\/holidays\/chanukah\/article_cdo\/aid\/103868\/jewish\/Menorah-Lighting-Guide.htm\">\u00a0\u201cshamash\u201d<\/a>\u00a0(\u201csluga\u201d ili\u00a0\u201c\u010duvar\u201d). \u00a0To svjetlo se koristi kako bi se upalilo druga svjetla i spremno je &#8220;slu\u017eiti&#8221; u slu\u010daju da se neko drugo svjetlo ugasi. Ono stoji ili vi\u0161e ili ni\u017ee ili odijeljeno od ostalih svjetala. Evo nekih tipi\u010dnih Hanuka menora:<\/p>\n<div id=\"gallery-6\" class=\"gallery galleryid-45755 gallery-columns-3 gallery-size-thumbnail\">\n<figure class=\"gallery-item\">\n<div class=\"gallery-icon landscape\"><a href=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/?attachment_id=45754\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/FM2014-150x150.jpg\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" srcset=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/FM2014-150x150.jpg 150w, http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/FM2014-300x297.jpg 300w\" alt=\"FM2014\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<figure class=\"gallery-item\">\n<div class=\"gallery-icon portrait\"><a href=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/?attachment_id=45752\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/M-4807L-150x150.gif\" alt=\"M-4807L\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<figure class=\"gallery-item\">\n<div class=\"gallery-icon landscape\"><a href=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/?attachment_id=45751\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/7485-large-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"7485-large\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<figure class=\"gallery-item\">\n<div class=\"gallery-icon portrait\"><a href=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/?attachment_id=45748\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/M-4812lg-150x150.gif\" alt=\"M-4812lg\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<figure class=\"gallery-item\">\n<div class=\"gallery-icon landscape\"><a href=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/?attachment_id=45741\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/APZ893P-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"APZ893P\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<figure class=\"gallery-item\">\n<div class=\"gallery-icon landscape\"><a href=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/?attachment_id=45744\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/ERM679-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"ERM679\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Kiko Arguello je, dakle, zamijenio kri\u017e na svojim \u201ceuharistijskim stolovima\u201d, s modificiranom verzijom Hanuka svije\u0107njaka. U Kikovim\u00a0\u201cmenorama\u201d, svih devet svjetala su horizonatalno poravnati jedan s drugim, i ne postoji \u201cshamash\u201d ili pomo\u0107no svjetlo:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_45770\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-45770 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/download-300x168.jpg\" alt=\"Kiko's menorah\" width=\"300\" height=\"168\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A typcial Kiko-monorah<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u0160tovi\u0161e, broj &#8220;devet\u201d nema poznate poveznice ni u \u017eidovskoj niti u kr\u0161\u0107anskoj tradiciji s Mesijom, niti s euharistijom. \u00a0Niti je, u tom smislu, broj devet povezan na bilo koji na\u010din s &#8220;evangelizacijom&#8221;, kao \u0161to je Kiko rekao Danielu.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Broj \u201cosam\u201d, me\u0111utim, ima zna\u010denje za kr\u0161\u0107ane. Mo\u017eda se sje\u0107ate da je Bog odmorio sedmi dan (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Genesis+2:2\">Post 2,2<\/a>), \u0161to je temelj za \u017eidovsko dr\u017eanje \u0160abata, a Isus je ustao iz groba dan nakon \u0160abata\u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Matthew+28:1\">Mt 28,1<\/a>), u \u201cosmi dan\u201d.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ali Kiko Arguellovo usvajanje modificirane verzije Hanuka svije\u0107njaka za slavlje euharistije mo\u017eda nije samo primjer njegova poku\u0161aja stvaranje pseudo\u017eidovskog &#8220;brenda&#8221; za svoju sektu. Ne, to bi mogli biti puno vi\u0161e od toga.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-44805\" src=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/il-fango-e-il-segreto-gnosi-peccato-e-nueva-estetica-neocatecumenale-lino-lista-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"il-fango-e-il-segreto-gnosi-peccato-e-nueva-estetica-neocatecumenale-lino-lista\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.larecherche.it\/biografia.asp?Utente=lino&amp;Tabella=Biografie\">Lino Lista<\/a>, plodni kriti\u010dar Neokatekumenkog puta, raspravlja o Kikovom razgovoru s Danielom Lipschitzom u svojoj knjizi, \u00a0\u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.edizionisegno.it\/libro.asp?id=1373\">Il Fango e il Segreto<\/a>\u201c:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u201c\u0160togod mislili po pitanju simbolizma, izmisliti svije\u0107njak kakav je Kiko izmislio, riskirate da netko mo\u017ee pretpostaviti da on zapravo zna\u010di &#8220;rekonstrukciju Crkve i njezinu ponovnu posvetu&#8221;, kao \u0161to je jedan rimski neokatekumenom jednom ustvrdio. To stanovi\u0161te, ta rekonstrukcija Hrama, je manje \u010dudna nego zna\u010denje &#8220;evangelizacije&#8221; koje njegov tvorac Kiko pripisuje. \u00a0To nas poziva na razmi\u0161ljanje o odnosu izme\u0111u slike (Kikova svije\u0107njaka) i restauracije \u017eidovskog sveti\u0161ta u pri\u010di o Makabejcima i Talmudu. Ideja rimskog neokatekumena o vezi izme\u0111u vidljivog Kikova objekta i zna\u010denja koje mu se pripisuje&#8230; je logi\u010dnije od Kikova iznenadnog i iritantnog obja\u0161njenja.&#8221; <strong>str. 70-71<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Lista je pogodio bit stvari.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Sjetite se da slavlje Hanuke komemorira ponovnu ustanovu i obnovu pravog bogo\u0161tovlja u Hramu i \u010dudesnog doga\u0111aja koji je vezan za to. Imajte na pameti tako\u0111er da je vlastiti simbol na oltaru ili blizu njega tijekom mise, prema Op\u0107oj uredbi Rimskog misala (GIRM 308), kri\u017e. GIRM to zahtjeva, naravno, jer je euharistija \u017ertva koja &#8220;re-prezentira (\u010dini prisutnim) \u017ertvu kri\u017ea&#8221; (KKK 1366).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Neokatekumensko kori\u0161tenje Hanuke svije\u0107njaka zna\u010di nagla\u0161avanje \u010dinjenice da je njihova liturgija\u00a0istinska, obnovljena liturgija te da <a href=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/?page_id=37304\">euharistija i Kristova muka tako\u0111er, nisu u nikakvom smislu \u017ertva.\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/thoughtfulcatholic.com\/?page_id=45755\">Poveznica<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>pi\u0161e Chuck White Za mnoge je katolike iritantna neokatekumenska praksa zamjenjivanja kri\u017ea na njihovim &#8220;oltarima&#8221; s ne\u010dim \u0161to izgleda kao<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2773"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2773"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2773\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2780,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2773\/revisions\/2780"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2773"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2773"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2773"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}