{"id":1158,"date":"2009-08-04T14:21:07","date_gmt":"2009-08-04T14:21:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/paxtibi.net\/?p=1158"},"modified":"2009-08-04T14:24:07","modified_gmt":"2009-08-04T14:24:07","slug":"nepoznati-gosti-s-cudnim-rekvizitima","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/?p=1158","title":{"rendered":"Nepoznati gosti s \u010dudnim rekvizitima!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.zadarskilist.hr\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"FLOAT: left\" src=\"http:\/\/www.zadarskilist.hr\/img\/zadarski_title.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\" align=\"center\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"FONT-SIZE: 16pt\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">U crkvu nam dolaze nepoznati gosti koji imaju svoj oltar i svoje sve\u0107enike<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Pi\u0161e: Z L<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">02.08.2009.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">&#8220;Grupa \u017eupljana&#8221; pi\u0161e kako pripadnici neokatekumenskog pokreta likuju zbog odlaska don Marija Sikiri\u0107a, do\u017eivljavaju\u0107i to svojom pobjedom, a nove tendencije nisu u skladu s na\u010dinom na koji vjernici ove zajednice do\u017eivljavaju vjeru<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Mi mali ljudi iz \u017dupe &#8216;Sveti Josip&#8217; Zadar nemamo na\u0161u \u017eupu, poru\u010duju potpisnici<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1157 alignright\" title=\"zadarski-list-naslovnica\" src=\"http:\/\/paxtibi.net\/wp-content\/upLoads\/zadarski-list-naslovnica.jpg\" alt=\"zadarski-list-naslovnica\" width=\"336\" height=\"387\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/wp-content\/upLoads\/2010\/01\/zadarski-list-naslovnica.jpg 336w, https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/wp-content\/upLoads\/2010\/01\/zadarski-list-naslovnica-260x300.jpg 260w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 336px) 100vw, 336px\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Grupa \u017eupljana \u017dupe &#8220;Svetog Josipa&#8221; Zadar obratila se ovih dana otvorenim pismom nadbiskupu Pren\u0111i zbog najave odlaska \u017eupnika Marija Sikiri\u0107a sa \u017eupe, navodno kao posljedice njegovog istupanja protiv pojedinih postupaka neokatekumenskog pokreta u Zadarskoj nadbiskupiji i njegove prireode uop\u0107e. Podsjetimo, ovaj je razlaz kulminirao javnim <a class=\"thickbox\" title=\"Mi mali ljudi iz \u017dupe 'Sveti Josip' Zadar nemamo na\u0161u \u017eupu, poru\u010duju potpisnici\" href=\"http:\/\/www.zadarskilist.hr\/media\/base\/plovanija.JPG\"><\/a>istupom grupe sve\u0107enika, na \u0161to im je posredno nadbiskup odgovorio podr\u0161kom neokatekumenima u korizmenom pismu.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">&#8220;Obra\u0107amo vam se jer \u017eelja nam je s ovim pismom da barem malo &#8220;umirimo&#8221; na\u0161u savjest, \u017eelimo da nas shvatite kako \u017eelimo pomo\u0107i i iznosimo istinu, tra\u017ee\u0107i i mole\u0107i od Vas da nam pru\u017eite pomo\u0107. \u017delja nam je upoznati vas sa stanjem, i pokazati da nas veoma uznemiruju ove zadnje (mnoge) pri\u010de u na\u0161oj \u017dupi &#8220;Svetog Josipa&#8221; Zadar, koje se odnose na odlazak na\u0161eg \u017eupnika sve\u0107enika Marija Sikiri\u0107a, pri\u010de koje vrlo te\u0161ko prihva\u0107amo. Svjesni smo da \u0107e se smjena vele\u010dasnog Marija i pri\u010de koje kru\u017ee vrlo negativno odraziti na stanje i vjerski \u017eivot u na\u0161oj \u017dupi, prvenstveno u podjeli. Moramo istaknuti da smo preumorni od takvih izno\u0161enja lakrdija po \u017eupi, dosta nam je vi\u0161e re\u017eija da manjina vjernika (koji nisu iz na\u0161e \u017eupe) radikalno nam name\u0107u i odre\u0111uju svoj na\u010din &#8220;\u017eivljena vjere&#8221; koji se ne uklapaju u vjerski \u017eivot na\u0161e \u017eupe kako smo nau\u010dili od na\u0161ih djedova i otaca, kako nas Vi u\u010dite, pri\u010daju pojedine skupine (neokatekumenske) po \u017dupi svoje obijesti i sad likuju zbog odlaska sve\u0107enika Marija iz \u017dupe. Doslovno slave! S razlogom se mo\u017ee okarakterizirati stanje \u017dupe &#8220;da mi mali ljudi iz \u017dupe &#8216;Sveti Josip&#8217; Zadar nemamo na\u0161u \u017eupu&#8221;, nas &#8220;obi\u010dne male \u017eupljane&#8221; se o\u010dito ne uva\u017eava. Jednako se ne uva\u017eava u \u017dupi ni pastoralno ni ekonomsko vije\u0107e \u017dupe, o\u010dito nema svoju pravu funkciju i djelovanje. Dolaskom novog sve\u0107enika preporuka je da se izmijene \u010dlanovi vije\u0107a \u017dupe jer su pojedini \u010dlanovi najavili kako ne \u017eele biti!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><a class=\"thickbox\" title=\"Mi mali ljudi iz \u017dupe 'Sveti Josip' Zadar nemamo na\u0161u \u017eupu, poru\u010duju potpisnici\" href=\"http:\/\/www.zadarskilist.hr\/media\/base\/plovanija.JPG\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/www.zadarskilist.hr\/media\/thumbs\/1\/plovanija_1.JPG\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a>S razlogom se pitamo ve\u0107 du\u017ee vrijeme, tko su ti ljudi koji dolaze no\u0107u u crkvu, nepoznati su nam u \u017dupi. Imamo informacije da su iz mnogih drugih \u017eupa nadbiskupije dolaze, pjevaju, ple\u0161u, pljeskaju, vr\u0161e seanse na katu do kasnih no\u0107nih sati, a nekad i po cijele no\u0107i, ulaze na sporedni ulaz crkve gdje je zvonik, \u010dujemo da imaju svoj oltar i svoje sve\u0107enike, nagovaraju na\u0161u djecu kako su oni &#8220;njihovi mali neokatekumeni&#8221; i ta na\u0161a djeca u strahu dolaze nama roditeljima i u panici govore &#8220;mama, tata nismo mi ti katameni, za\u0161to nam to govore&#8221;.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u017delimo Vas obavijestiti i umiriti na\u0161u savjest obavje\u0161tavaju\u0107i Vas da nam je te\u0161ko, te\u0161ko je kad se vidi tko sve i na koji na\u010din odre\u0111uje nama &#8220;malim ljudima iz \u017dupe&#8221; da moramo \u017eivjeti na\u0161u vjeru. Za\u0161to nam &#8220;oni&#8221; odre\u0111uju \u017eivot u \u017dupi, a evo evidentno je i da se po tko zna koji put postavljaju iznad \u017eupnika. Zabrinuti smo gdje \u0107e nas dovesti taj &#8220;vi\u0161eslojni&#8221; rad u na\u0161oj \u017eupi, posebno kako \u0107e se ubudu\u0107e bez na\u0161eg vele\u010dasnog Marija odra\u017eavati na\u0161 obiteljski vjerski \u017eivot. S razlogom se bojimo i sigurno \u0107emo sebe kao vjernici &#8211; zato \u0161to nam je nametnuto (cijele obitelji) tra\u017eiti u drugim \u017eupama jer o\u010dito da vi\u0161e nemamo svoju \u017eupu&#8221;, pi\u0161e u pismu upu\u0107enom nadbiskupu.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">&#8211; Svjesni smo uloge, zna\u010daja i prava na\u0161eg sve\u0107enstva, pa i po\u0161tivanja svih Va\u0161ih odluka u nadbiskupiji, pogotovo kad je u pitanju na\u0161a Crkva, prihva\u0107amo na\u010dela i koja ne razumijemo, ali o\u010de nadbiskupe &#8211; te\u0161ko je ovako \u017eivjeti svoju vjeru. Za\u0161to moramo doslovno trpjeti teror neokatekumenskog puta u na\u0161oj \u017eupi (&#8230;) Ova promjena sve\u0107enika, \u017eupnika Marija, se do\u017eivljava u \u017dupi kao &#8220;pobjeda nekog takmi\u010denja&#8221;, kao &#8220;dobivanje ovozemaljskih nekih bodova&#8221;, s tim se &#8220;zadovoljava ta\u0161tina i ostale ljudske slabosti&#8221;, a s druge strane &#8220;te\u0161ko omalova\u017eavanje&#8221;&#8230; Iskreno Vam sve ovo iznosimo, i na\u017ealost to je tako!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Ne iznosimo re\u010deno bez razumijevanja! O\u010de nadbiksupe, pratimo mi stanje u Crkvi (pisali smo Vam u pro\u0161lom pismu od 9. lipnja), prihva\u0107amo i da smo nedovoljno obavije\u0161teni, i da smo puk Crkve, ali osje\u0107amo i znamo kakav je to neokatekumenski teror na na\u0161u vjeru. (Mi smo doli i to osje\u0107amo na kostima, u krvi, u du\u0161i!) Evo, za nas zna\u010di puno govor Pape \u010dlanovima neokatekumenskog puta Rimske biskupije gdje iznosi potrebu za &#8220;neprestanim odr\u017eavanjem \u010de\u017enje za jedinstvom&#8221;, &#8220;uklju\u010divanje &#8216;Puta&#8217; u biskupijski pastoral&#8221;. I kad uspore\u0111ujemo, na\u0161 vele\u010dasni Mario je upravo bio na tom Putu, u slu\u017ebi prema jedinstvu zajednice, a ne poticanja podijeljenosti \u0161to upravo rade ti koji optu\u017euju vele\u010dasnog (&#8230;).<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Ove sada\u0161nje pri\u010de po \u017eupi, nisu i nije nikako u redu, nije u redu da se \u0161ire negativnosti i neistine, \u0161iri se &#8220;la\u017e&#8221; po \u017dupi i to od &#8220;onih&#8221; koji nisu iz na\u0161e \u017eupe kao: &#8220;Spas je \u0161to ide Mario, on nam je smetao, oslobodili smo se, mi \u0107emo se sad njegovim odlaskom izdi\u0107i!&#8221; Kojeg li licemjerja!? (Odnosi se na neokatekumene.) A tko smo mi koji \u017eivimo u na\u0161oj \u017dupi, \u0161to smo mi (da ne ka\u017eem tko) koji nismo u tim udrugama, \u010dija je \u017eupa, zar su neokatekumeni toliko jaki da utje\u010du na nadbiskupiju i dijele \u017dupu, mijenjaju nam sve\u0107enika kad to za\u017eele, odre\u0111uju i name\u0107u kako \u0107emo \u017eivjeti u svojoj vjeri?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Sve je to tu\u017eno i djeluje na na\u0161u \u017dupu katastrofalno. Ve\u0107 mnoge obitelji u \u017dupi najavljuju kako \u0107e radije i\u0107i na svete mise u druge \u017eupe nego biti ponovno na &#8220;neokatekumenskim misama&#8221; na kojima doslovno likuju.Svjesni smo da nemamo relativni uvid u sve, ali osje\u0107amo i vidimo i znamo da ne smijemo se otu\u0111iti i da moramo po\u0161tivati misiju Crkve. I zato smo vam iskreno pisali istinu! Molimo Vas da nas razumijete na\u0161 nadbiskupe, s ovim nam je \u017eelja pomo\u0107i kako bi nam pomogli i \u017eelimo Vam svako dobro. Uz Bo\u017eju pomo\u0107 i Vama i nama. Hvaljen Bog!&#8221;, stoji u pismu koje potpisuje &#8220;grupa \u017eupljana \u017dupe Svetog Josipa Zadar&#8221;.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\" lang=\"IT\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify; line-height: 150%; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\" lang=\"IT\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.zadarskilist.hr\/clanci\/02082009\/u-crkvu-nam-dolaze-nepoznati-gosti-koji-imaju-svoj-oltar-i-svoje-svecenike\">Link<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify; line-height: 150%; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\" lang=\"IT\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify; line-height: 150%; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\" lang=\"IT\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 U crkvu nam dolaze nepoznati gosti koji imaju svoj oltar i svoje sve\u0107enike \u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0 Pi\u0161e: Z<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1158"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1158"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1158\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1160,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1158\/revisions\/1160"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1158"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1158"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1158"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}