{"id":1115,"date":"2009-07-07T16:41:05","date_gmt":"2009-07-07T16:41:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/paxtibi.net\/?p=1115"},"modified":"2009-07-07T16:43:22","modified_gmt":"2009-07-07T16:43:22","slug":"tko-zrtvuje-u-neokatekumenskoj-zajednici","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/?p=1115","title":{"rendered":"Tko \u017ertvuje u neokatekumenskoj zajednici?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a style=\"display: block;\" href=\"http:\/\/neocatecumenali.blogspot.com\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" id=\"Header1_headerimg\" style=\"DISPLAY: block\" src=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_bhVQI2wa-40\/SVajc1Y7W9I\/AAAAAAAAAE0\/zr3Bc-pSajE\/S1600-R\/Immagine.jpg\" alt=\"LA   VERITA\\\" width=\"399\" height=\"125\" \/> <\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"FONT-SIZE: 14pt\" lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"FONT-SIZE: 14pt\" lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Gdje je Isus Krist u Neokatekumenskom putu?<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Prepu\u0161tamo rije\u010d Micheli i Strl<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Nitko ne dovodi u sumnju vjeru neokatekumena, niti ono u \u0161to oni vjeruju, (zaista, ako ono u \u0161to oni vjeruju ima veze s ketehezama koje poznamo i koje ipak jo\u0161 nisu objavljene, stvari koje nisu u skladu s katoli\u010dkim identitetom, koje na\u017ealost \u2013 radi krivog shva\u0107anja \u00abduha koncila\u00bb &#8211; danas \u010dak mnogi biskupi i sve\u0107enici ne znaju \u0161to je!) a to zna tako\u0111er papa koji je molio sa vama 10. sije\u010dnja, daju\u0107i vam upute koje ne slijedite.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Problem je drugi, a to je ovaj koji vi odbijate razumjeti.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Tkogod sudjeluje na neokatekumenskoj euharistiji uvjeri se da je neokatekumenska zajednica subjekt slavlja:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"mso-list: Ignore\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">&#8211;<\/span><span style=\"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">zajednica je ta koja prinosi<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"mso-list: Ignore\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">&#8211;<\/span><span style=\"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">zajednica je ta koja \u017ertvuje (i preko odjeka, postoji uvijek netko koji pripovijeda o svojoj \u017ertvi da ljubi bli\u017enjega)<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"mso-list: Ignore\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">&#8211;<\/span><span style=\"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">zajednica je ta koja prisvaja Rije\u010d i tuma\u010di je.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 18pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Dakle pravi problem je: gdje je zavr\u0161io Isus Krist?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Sve se zbiva u rastu emocija, radi \u010dega je na po\u010detku klima malo mra\u010dna, tu se osje\u0107a malo \u017ertve i malo bolji od drugih koji u\u017eivaju vi\u0161e ili manje dopu\u0161teno subotu uve\u010der. Zavr\u0161ava se u klimi euforije potpomognuti od pjeva\u010da koji su uvijek u ritmu i koji zavijaju.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">A gdje je Isus Krist?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Susreo sam ga zaista, ili sam samo vjerovao da sam ga susreo u svojoj radosti, ili u rije\u010dima nekog brata?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">I <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0<\/span>budu\u0107i da me ovaj \u00abIsus Krist\u00bb u\u010dinio nijemim duhom, mogu komunicirati samo sa bra\u0107om moje zajednice, jer me drugi vjernici ne razumiju. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Za\u0161to vidim progonitelje svuda, vidim bra\u0107u u vjeri koja me mrze, za\u0161to ne razumijem ono \u0161to mi govore?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Za\u0161to nisam slobodan pripovijedati kako napreduje moj put vjere, za\u0161to se osje\u0107am du\u017enim uvijek braniti Put, tako\u0111er i onda kada grije\u0161i?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Gdje je sloboda koja mi je bila obe\u0107ana na po\u010detku kateheza? Vidim neprijatelje svuda, dobro sam samo sa bra\u0107om iz zajednice, samo me oni shva\u0107aju.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Svako malo ispliva neki bijes koji ne znam opravdati. Za\u0161to moji grijesi ostaju uvijek isti?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Draga bra\u0107o u vjeri i bra\u0107o neokatekumeni, gdje je Isus Krist u svemu ovome?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Strl: Govorimo samo o \u010dinjenicama i ne\u0107emo se upu\u0161tati u polemike koje stvaraju samo konfuziju. Ono \u0161to mi najvi\u0161e smeta je da se uvijek u putu tra\u017ei da se negiraju problemi, \u010desto sa idiotskim izgovorom da se ne sablazne maleni\u2026 Na kraju ne govori se ni\u0161ta niti onima koji su zavr\u0161ili Put koji, prema istim propisima, jesu odrasli kr\u0161\u0107ani i stoga su sve drugo samo ne maleni u vjeri. Osim \u010dinjenice da se ne govori ni\u0161ta, niti da se korigira ikad i\u0161ta, dopu\u0161ta se da uvijek napreduje rak dok se ne rasprsne i zatim se ponovo pojavi na drugoj strani. Vrijeme je da se zavr\u0161i sa marketingom! Vrijeme je da se prestane prodavati Put kao daje proizvod! Ne srami li se itko tko to zna? Ako bi odgovorni bili ozbiljni, osim \u0161to pripovijedaju o takozvanim dobrim stvarima, morali bi govoriti tako\u0111er i o odvratnostima koje se doga\u0111aju! Nemojte pustiti da budu iznesene na blogu, a zatim dopustiti sebi, zapravo negirati kao da se nisu dogodile! Ovdje se radi o \u017eivotu osobe! Na velikim susretima se ne vlada kao da ste bili na teleshopingu! Kao \u0161to se prodaju lonci, tako se prodaju \u017eivoti osoba!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Zapo\u010dnite govoriti istinu ako imate malo straha Bo\u017ejega ili vi\u0161e-manje po\u0161tovanja prema drugim osobama!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Ja na kraju dodajem: Kako tu smje\u0161tamo energi\u010dno izlaganje Pape sve\u0107enicima na zadnjoj audijenciji u srijedu?<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u201eI doista, upravo promatraju\u0107i to dvoje: identitet i poslanje, svaki sve\u0107enik mo\u017ee bolje zamijetiti nu\u017enost toga sve ve\u0107eg poistovje\u0107ivanja s Kristom koje mu jam\u010di vjernost i plodnost evan\u0111eoskog svjedo\u010danstva. Samo geslo Sve\u0107eni\u010dke godine \u2013 Kristova vjernost, sve\u0107enikova vjernost \u2013 jasno pokazuje da dar Bo\u017eje milosti prethodi svakom mogu\u0107em ljudskom odgovoru i pastoralnom pothvatu, i tako su, u sve\u0107enikovu \u017eivotu, misijski navje\u0161taj i obred uvijek nerazdvojni, kao \u0161to se nikada ne mogu odvajati ni ontolo\u0161ko-sakramentski identitet i evangelizacijsko poslanje. Uz to, cilj je poslanja svakog prezbitera, mogli bismo re\u0107i, &#8220;kulturni&#8221;: da se svi ljudi prinose Bogu kao \u017eiva, sveta i njemu mila hostija (usp. Rim 12, 1), primaju\u0107i iz toga onu ljubav koju su pozvani obilno razdjeljivati jedni drugima.\u201c<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Kako povezati ove Papine rije\u010di sa kultom Neokatekumenskog puta i sa njegovim sve\u0107enicima koji \u017eive totalno podjarmljeni katehistima i, koji prolaze formaciju Puta i tu upijaju sve iskrivljenosti? <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\"><a href=\"http:\/\/neocatecumenali.blogspot.com\/2009\/07\/dove-gesu-cristo-nel-cammino-nc.html\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Link<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt\"><span lang=\"HR\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 Gdje je Isus Krist u Neokatekumenskom putu? \u00a0 Prepu\u0161tamo rije\u010d Micheli i Strl \u00a0 Nitko ne dovodi u sumnju<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1115"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1115"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1115\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1119,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1115\/revisions\/1119"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1115"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1115"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1115"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}