{"id":840,"date":"2009-04-17T21:34:17","date_gmt":"2009-04-17T21:34:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/paxtibi.net\/?p=840"},"modified":"2009-04-19T15:42:31","modified_gmt":"2009-04-19T15:42:31","slug":"jos-svjedocanstava","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.paxtibi.net\/?p=840","title":{"rendered":"Jo\u0161 svjedo\u010danstava"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tbn2.google.com\/images?q=tbn:PMn2JeYCp0uKpM:http:\/\/www.sanmarcopescara.it\/public\/ContenutoSito\/image\/COMUNITA%27%2520NEOCATECUMENALI\/Convocazione%2520diocesana%2520Comunit%C3%A0%2520Neocatecumenali%252027-09-2006\/07%2520.jpg\" onblur=\"function onblur() { function onblur() { function onblur() { function onblur() { function onblur() { try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {} } } } } }\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" style=\"margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 150px; float: left; height: 113px; cursor: pointer;\" src=\"http:\/\/tbn2.google.com\/images?q=tbn:PMn2JeYCp0uKpM:http:\/\/www.sanmarcopescara.it\/public\/ContenutoSito\/image\/COMUNITA%27%2520NEOCATECUMENALI\/Convocazione%2520diocesana%2520Comunit%C3%A0%2520Neocatecumenali%252027-09-2006\/07%2520.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a>8 godina u putu kao suodgovorni, zatim liturgijska \u0161kola i otkri\u0107e \u00abanomalija\u00bb koje sam direktno prijavio katehistima:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<ol style=\"margin-top: 0cm;\" type=\"1\">\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Gdje je Prezbiter predvi\u0111en statutima za vrijeme Slu\u017ebe Rije\u010di (mi ga nikad nismo imali, osim prve godine)?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to se nastavlja presjedanje Slu\u017ebe Rije\u010di od strane onoga tko za to nema nikakvu titulu?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to za vrijeme Slu\u017ebe Rije\u010di \u00abodjeci\u00bb postaju mini homilije koje skre\u0107u s puta i neki puta su hereti\u010dne?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to se odmah ne ostvaruju razne odredbe Svetog Oca?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to se uzdi\u017ee u apsolutnu potrebu \u010di\u0161\u0107enje od grijeha, a zatim se u\u010dini da pro\u0111u parovi koji \u017eive zajedno, koji nose teret kr\u0161\u0107anske \u017eenidbe koja nije progla\u0161ena ni\u0161tavom?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to se slavlja mijenjaju uvijek kada do\u0111e biskup?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to se zahtjeva da li \u00ab\u017eeli\u0161 u\u010diniti ozbiljan savez s Gospodinom\u00bb? kada sam ve\u0107 u\u010dinio ovaj savez na kr\u0161tenju?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to je Prezbiter uvijek na drugoj razini s obzirom na katehiste?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to ti katehisti jasno govore da ako ne ostane\u0161 na putu to je zato jer \u0111avao ne \u017eeli u\u010diniti da povjeruje\u0161 da si opsjednut? <\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to se onaj koji je ve\u0107 izabran ili je ve\u0107 savladao va\u017ean prijelaz dr\u017ei gorim od \u00abnedjeljnih kr\u0161\u0107ana\u00bb<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Za\u0161to u godinama puta, jedanput kada sam trebao savjet o lo\u0161im stvarima od katehiste (ne moga) o mojim usporedbama,<span> <\/span>moji katehisti nisu \u017eeljeli ni\u0161ta znati?<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"HR\">Gdje zavr\u0161avaju tisu\u0107e eura koje sam ja osobno izbrojio?<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left: 18pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left: 18pt;\"><span lang=\"HR\">12 pitanja, kao broj apostola i plemena Izraelovih, ali do danas nitko mi nije nikad odgovorio. Samo me je moj Biskup ohrabrio da izi\u0111em, nakon \u0161to je moja \u017eena zavr\u0161ila kod jednog psihijatra (i ja tako\u0111er) i nakon \u0161to je na\u0161a obitelj riskirala da se raspadne, kao i na\u0161 posao i cijeli na\u0161 \u017eivot. Godinu i pol, toliko je trajala tortura za izlazak iz Puta, ali sad kad smo u drugom pokretu ponovo smo ro\u0111eni. Molimo da se \u0161togod promjeni. Bija\u0161e sve istina: to je crkva u Crkvi. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left: 18pt;\"><span lang=\"HR\">Od Alberta 14. travnja 2009.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left: 18pt;\"><span lang=\"HR\">Zadnji pokazatelj da se u Putu nije ni\u0161ta promijenilo\u2026Ali taj Biskup, koji je ohrabrio ove osobe da izi\u0111u, \u010dini li \u0161togod drugo?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left: 18pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><a title=\"Link\" href=\"http:\/\/neocatecumenali.blogspot.com\/2009\/04\/ancora-testimonianze_16.html\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Link<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w :WordDocument> <\/w><w :View>Normal<\/w> <w :Zoom>0<\/w> <w :PunctuationKerning \/> <w :ValidateAgainstSchemas \/> <w :SaveIfXMLInvalid>false<\/w> <w :IgnoreMixedContent>false<\/w> <w :AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false<\/w> <w :Compatibility> <w :BreakWrappedTables \/> <w :SnapToGridInCell \/> <w :WrapTextWithPunct \/> <w :UseAsianBreakRules \/> <w :DontGrowAutofit \/> <\/w> <w :BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4<\/w> <\/xml>< ![endif] >< ! 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Samo me je moj Biskup ohrabrio da izi\u0111em, nakon \u0161to je moja \u017eena zavr\u0161ila kod jednog psihijatra (i ja tako\u0111er) i nakon \u0161to je na\u0161a obitelj riskirala da se raspadne, kao i na\u0161 posao i cijeli na\u0161 \u017eivot. Godinu i pol, toliko je trajala tortura za izlazak iz Puta, ali sad kad smo u drugom pokretu ponovo smo ro\u0111eni. Molimo da se \u0161togod promjeni. 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